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K-pop – What’s in a Name?

by @alapadma2, CedarBough Saeji, Elliot Sang, Lee Jeeheng, Randy Suh, Stephanie Choi

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The views, information, or opinions expressed in this [article, essay, letter, etc.] are solely those of the creator(s) and do not necessarily represent the official policy or position of The Rhizomatic Revolution Review [20130613] or its members.


Edited by Dr. Candace Epps-Robertson & Katie Hulme

What is a “Roundtable”?

A rhizome consists of a multitude of interconnected nodes — and while those nodes might have more that connects than divides them, individual nodes don’t always agree. Learning means being in conversation with one another. Our perspectives are often shaped by our immediate networks and personal experiences, and it never hurts to take a step back and invite some voices to the table — especially those we might not otherwise hear, and those that bring wisdom, experience, and specialized knowledge into the conversation. 

양극화 세상에서 가장 추한 꽃” 
“Polarization, the ugliest flower in the world” 

– (Agust D, 2020)

We have all witnessed heated and emotionally charged debates ignited by particular topics, fueled by the anonymity and speed afforded by social media. Discussions can quickly become polarized, and when polarization begins to play, discourse often begins to falter. Slowing down, taking time to pause, engaging with the ideas of others, and listening are essential to growth and creating new knowledge. 

The most famous roundtable is probably that of the legendary King Arthur, who insisted that his knights sit at a roundtable because such a table has no head — thus no designated leader. The purpose of a roundtable is to invite individuals into a space where the notion of “us” and “them” is temporarily dispelled, and each voice is given an equal platform to articulate itself. You may not agree with each and every perspective, but we invite you to listen — and learn!

As a journal, we have much to learn about the best way to conduct these conversations — so please afford us some grace on our first attempt. This group of participants was patient and persistent, and we are thankful to each and every one of them for the time they devoted to this discussion. 

So . . . may the first nodes of the roundtable convene!

Introduction

In early 2020, a conversation between nine self-identified ARMYs from six different countries took place via a Twitter group chat (the anonymized transcript for this conversation can be viewed here — all participants in the transcribed conversation consented to having it released). During this conversation, participants ruminated over the statement “BTS isn’t K-Pop” (a claim frequently asserted on social media within their networks). The discussion led them to asking a host of questions and a lively discussion ensued. Two of the overarching questions and themes from the discussion were:  

  • What exactly is K-pop? 
  • Why do some fans (several participants included) feel compelled to make a distinction between BTS and K-pop? And is this response warranted?

Ultimately, the participants chose to submit the transcript of their conversation to our Editorial Board because they wished to transition the discussion from a casual conversation to a constructive dialogue. With this in mind, our Editorial Board invited six individuals to our very first roundtable to discuss some of the topics raised in the aforementioned transcript. We hope you will join us in welcoming:

@alapadma2 | Choi, Stephanie, Ph.D. | Lee, Jeeheng, Ph.D.
Saeji, CedarBough, Ph.D.| Sang, Elliot | Suh, Randy

While we wanted this roundtable to engage with some of the issues raised in that chat, we also sought to have this be a space for panelists to engage with issues, theories, and perspectives that are meaningful to them given their backgrounds and interests. Our panelists have a wide range of experience and each is committed to this discussion as a means to encourage dialogue and critical thinking. To that end, we invited them to raise questions, wrestle with terms, and reflect on why this conversation matters to so many. We know that defining terms is an essential first step to engaged discourse. Why do these steps — defining and theorizing —  matter? They matter because language matters. Words carry ideas and ideologies that are often rooted in tangled webs of power. The discussion we present in this roundtable takes a first step at demonstrating the histories, theories, ideology, and ultimately the influence that goes into defining K-Pop. 

Methods

We invited participants based on experience, expertise, and their interest in the subject. Each was provided with a copy of the transcript and asked to respond to eight questions. Moderators read the responses and curated follow-up questions for discussion. Each participant then wrote a concluding statement.

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Round I
  • What is K-pop? What is it not?
  • How does BTS fit (or not fit) into this definition of K-pop?
  • Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion?
Round II : Response
  • Are there points raised by the participants that you strongly agree and/or disagree with? Why? Are there opinions expressed that are potentially the result of misinformation? If yes, what?
  • Are there more productive modes for these types of conversations to take place? If so, where should these conversations occur? From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic?
Round III : Conclusion
  • To provide individuals wishing to learn more with reliable sources, please list 1-3 references that you would recommend.
  • Concluding Statements

Round I

What is K-pop? What is it not?  Return to the list of questions

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Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
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K-pop is not a genre of music. It’s simply popular music from Korea. The term itself was coined by Koreans because people were classifying Korean music as J-pop in online spaces (such as iTunes), and Koreans were, understandably, upset. Koreans use the term K-pop pretty loosely. It’s most often a synonym for daejung gayo. But because it is a term that is conscious of the international eye, some people use it in a way that is closer to how I use the term “idol pop.” What is not K-pop? Music that no one is listening to. What is not idol…
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
Reading Time 3 Mins Read
My definition of K-pop has always been “Korean Idol pop heavily influenced by Western pop music and Japanese idol subculture targeting the youth population.” I came up with this conclusion throughout my experience as a contributing writer of Idology (idology.kr), a K-poptimistic webzine which has been covering idols and idol-like musicians since the mid-2010s. (I add the definition of idol as requested: an idol is a form of singer very popular in South Korea. The term originated from how Japan labeled young and pretty teenage singers from the 70s and 80s following the ye-ye girls from France in the 50s,…
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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Unlike the term J-pop, the term K-pop was not coined by the domestic industry but was first used and widely circulated by the international media and fans. In this case, K-pop is an othered imagination created by outsiders. However, if we think of K-pop as a culture that includes the fandom rather than a type of music production, the identification process becomes more complicated.
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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It’s almost impossible to say since everyone’s definition of the term varies. To me, the safest bet is just to break it down etymologically. K-pop is short for “Korean pop” — so that’s what K-pop is. Pop music, of course, has no real musical definition; a pop song by Billie Eilish and a pop song by Lizzo will be on two very different planes of musical stylization, but both are pop regardless. The same goes for Korean pop; anything that constitutes popular music in Korea, whether it be a ballad by Davichi, a rap song by Zico, or an idol…
Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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K-pop is “pop” — it is a form of popular entertainment that is based on how the music is produced, how the performances are staged, what kinds of business interests label companies have, how the content from these companies is distributed, and the means by which the audience can consume this content. So it is “pop” in the strict definition of what “pop” stands for (popular), but is it “pop” in terms of genre? That depends on how pop is defined as a genre, which is also an increasingly contentious debate. When we look at Western pop music today, we…
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
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In most Korean academic articles, K-pop is defined as Korean idol pop music that emerged in the late 1990s. Korean pop music other than idol music is called  “Gayo,” in general — even though there are more sophisticated and detailed sub-genres within it.  Meanwhile, the articles also define K-pop as 1) “a fictitious concept that aims to become a transnational popular music and in this process ‘K’ transformed into a brand name for exporting goods” (Lee, 2016) and 2) state that  “K-pop, or Korean idol pop, was the first time in the history of Korean pop music to be a…

How does BTS fit (or not) into this definition? Return to the list of questions

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Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
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BTS is the textbook perfect definition of K-pop. BTS is the most popular group from Korea. They have only Korean members, Korean management, and sing primarily in Korean. Their music and music videos are visually driven (and full of intertextuality), songs are hip-hop heavy but genre-fluid, and many are performed with fabulous, choreographed dance. These basic facts describe the core elements of contemporary idol K-pop — in fact, in some ways such as having all Korean members, they are almost more truly K-pop than some other idol groups. The entire idea that BTS is not K-pop or trying to separate…
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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BTS most definitely fits into my definition of K-pop, but in a hybrid manner. They are idols — singing and dancing to the West-originated music, U.S. Black music in particular; following the Japanese idol sales strategies, like fan sign meetings and photo cards; and targeting the younger generation, mostly female. I said hybrid because they definitely tried to bring more authenticity via song-writing and the use of a hip-hop image, which idols usually lack and are therefore criticized for. Their early years were a struggle between seeking the approval of authentic music listeners as an idol group that does hip-hop….
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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Just like other idols [aidol in Korean], BTS: comprises singers and rappers, and all members dance; went through the typical scouting system, training process, promotion schedules, and diet plans during their pre/debut years and has gained more individual agency during the latter phase of their careers;is supported by the in-house production team and is under the all-around management system of their entertainment company;performs affective labors, including fan service and related events, such as fansigns and fanmeets;produces concept albums with narratives about “worldview” (segyegwan) that are crafted by in-house writers; has a fandom that conducts and participates in typical K-pop fandom practices, such…
Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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To some extent, BTS fits into the industry definition of K-pop. There is no doubt that the way BTS operates and the way they’ve come to create and distribute music is all based on how the K-pop industry works. Music consumption by the audience — streaming for YouTube views as soon as the song drops, buying music extensively during the first week, trending hashtags on Twitter to promote new music — is also all rooted in how fans of various groups from the K-pop industry consume music (however, this is also becoming common in most music industries, although it remains…
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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Truthfully, artists like BTS don’t fit into any genre or music category. They define their own categories because they do things that no artist does before them. Aside from the outright successes, BTS’s combination of genres and thematics are very unique within K-pop. I still think they’re a part of K-pop, and K-pop is a part of them, but it’s only an aspect of their story — as they are only an aspect of K-pop’s story, the way the Beatles are only an aspect of the story of British pop music, but remain an inescapable force.
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
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BTS is a Korean idol group, so in that respect they perfectly fit into this surface definition of K-pop. Meanwhile, because the term K-pop has not been conceived naturally from the inside but named from the outside perspective, it intrinsically adds socio-cultural implications/prejudice in the course of development. Mostly negative, on many occasions.  So, what are the outside perspectives — mainly Western-centered views — that are implicated in the term K-pop? First, it is a culture that is all about looks and visuals. Plastic surgery, skin care, and stage makeup are basic, and male idols usually wear what some perceive…

Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? Return to the list of questions

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Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? The argument is heavily based on who is expressing it, what music they are familiar with, and what culture they have grown up in. There is no one reason for the argument and no one source of it. However, from personal observation, it is fairly Western in origin, but there are cultural reasons for it. People in Korea don’t usually use the term “K-pop”; rather, they define…
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
Reading Time 2 Mins Read
Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? While Korean domestic critical discourse has still maintained its disparaging view of K-pop culture as the epitome of consumer capitalism, on the other hand, there is a cultural and nationalistic view which remains content with the overseas acceptance of K-pop as part of Korean Wave. There’s a nationalist discourse that approaches pop culture as a new export commodity and an expansion of Korean cultural territory, along with…
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? I have seen a number of fans on social media using the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” to claim the pre-eminence of BTS. The term K-pop itself has been treated as an othered term, and the othering process has only intensified since the West started appropriating the term to indicate the superiority of Western cultural industry. The argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” seems to be used to battle against…
Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
Reading Time 2 Mins Read
Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? The argument that BTS isn’t K-pop is Western in origin. K-pop groups have been highly successful for TWENTY YEARS in China and Japan, and during most of that time the term K-pop was used. The only fans who seem to have suddenly decided they had the right to change a Korean name for a Korean product were the Western fans. (Then later some Korean fans were willing…
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? BTS fans, as well as the group themselves, have long struggled with K-pop — particularly with the other artists surrounding them and their fan bases at times being quite unwelcoming towards them. That’s my understanding of history, anyway. Plus, journalists have often used BTS’s success as some sort of anchor for the success of other K-pop groups that simply don’t do what BTS does, which BTS fans…
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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Why is the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop” being raised and who is raising it? To what degree is this argument “Western” in origin? What is the role of the media in this discussion? From my observation, it was mostly the U.S. and European fan bases feeling the need for an explanation of “BTS isn’t K-pop” to protect BTS from the media and general public’s highly racist stereotype. Following is my assumption, but I feel it is mostly Western fans who are more eager to have the approval of the Western mainstream music industry. Of course BTS and BigHit would be…

Round II : Response

Are there points raised by the participants that you strongly agree and/or disagree with? Why? Are there opinions expressed that are potentially the result of misinformation? If yes, what? Return to the list of questions

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Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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There was a point about how claiming that BTS isn’t K-pop will further the stereotype that the West perpetuates about K-pop. However, the history of popular music in the West shows us that dismantling the “boxes” that keep POC artists separate is a more effective way of integrating musical styles/cultures into the mainstream. This helps eliminate preconceived notions and biases associated with certain music styles. For example, hip-hop was heavily stereotyped in its early days and was never expected to last beyond a few years, but as it began to make its way outside of the “other” category it was…
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
Reading Time < 1 Min Read
Comment from ARMY G (BRAZIL):  for example, the discussion of Nicki Minaj and female rap… Like, why keep talking about her as “female rap” when she’s definitely in the same league of all the greatest rappers regardless of gender? I know race/culture/gender are different debates, and you guys might or might not like Nicki Minaj as an artist, lol, but what I mean is: there’s nothing wrong with talking about her in the gender spectrum but the moment it starts to restrain her achievements then it’s just wrong I think the same for BTS… I wouldn’t be mad at the…
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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What I agree with:  “GP and media think of kpop as this manufactured machine and that idea is constantly being reinforced by the media who only ever talks about the ‘dark sides’ of kpop.”  This is a gist of my arguments in the above responses. The Western media has been framing the discourse of K-pop as an issue of superiority vs. inferiority between the West and the Other.  “The OP seemed to be taking issue with fans wanting to distance BTS from the stereotypes of the “Kpop”… but that this inadvertently implies that the stereotypes DO apply to other artists…
Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
Reading Time 3 Mins Read
Honestly, BTS is amazing, but people in this transcript seem to think that BTS is unmatched. I hope fans can remember that they don’t know everything about every music in the world and probably not even every significant artist active in Korea. Stay open to the exciting discoveries of your future! BTS had the K-pop industry behind them, and that brought them to Korea’s and the world’s attention. There was an entire method of reaching the public that could be tapped into, even for a group from a small, no-hit company like BigHit was in 2013. BTS and BigHit capitalized…
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
Reading Time < 1 Min Read
None that I strongly disagree with or agree with. It’s such a complicated conversation that I can kinda lean towards any of the points being made. “Are there opinions expressed that are potentially the result of misinformation? If yes, what?” Not really.
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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ARMY A: “the OP seemed to be taking issue with fans wanting to distance BTS from the stereotypes of the “Kpop”… but that this inadvertently implies that the stereotypes DO apply to other artists under that category… so they feel like it’s perpetuating  the stereotype?”  I observe the purpose of removing the label of K-pop is to protect BTS from the label of being Korean, which is a marginalized group in the U.S. or European market. I think the idea of removing the K-pop label is the fans’ desire to “detour” to make BTS settle in those markets. However, the…

Are there more productive modes for these types of conversations to take place? If so, where should these conversations occur?

From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic? Return to the list of questions

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Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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I personally think Twitter and other social media platforms are important places for these conversations to start. Obviously, these discussions can transcend to academic circles and turn into something more like this round table discussion (or published articles later) that thoroughly explore the topic; however, these initial conversations are important . “From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic?” I think discourse on music in general. Much of this debate has to do with larger concepts such as what defines genres, what defines industries,…
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
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If I understood this question right, you are asking if there are any other types of discussion other than sharing thoughts via writing? In that case, video calls [realtime, face to face discussions]  can be a candidate, but for non-native English speakers like me, it’s hard to articulate my thoughts in such an instant mode of discussion.  “From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic?” To ask what K-pop is, and to ask if BTS is K-pop or not, you shouldn’t simply look for…
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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Whether you agree or disagree with the argument “BTS isn’t K-pop,” the premise is already grounded in the othering gaze toward K-pop. I suggest everyone to look at the given framework of the debate and problematize this othering gaze.  “From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic?” One way is to discuss how Western media, in particular, constructs the dichotomy of “superior West vs. inferior Other” and how the idea of K-pop supports this dichotomy. 
Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
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I wish I had a good answer to this question. Part of the problem is the level of knowledge of people in the conversation — after I started using Twitter I realized you can productively say the same thing again and again because there are new people listening. However, when there are so many beginners (new to BTS fandom, new to K-pop, new to Korea, new to media analysis, new to a more transnational or global framework), this also means we have a lot of very basic conversations and very few deep conversations. To have deeper and more difficult conversations,…
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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I wish these conversations would take place in national media. “From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive (growth-minded) outcome regarding this topic?” Essays, letters, etc. Takes that require long research and a long amount of writing are what’s needed here. These subjects can’t be rejiggered or solved in a paragraph or two. That’s why I made my video, “BTS vs. K-Pop,” for my YouTube channel, bby gang. I wanted to finally tackle the subject in length and detail.
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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The only problem I have with Twitter is that good conversations evaporate just too quickly. I think this whole project is a great attempt to preserve some of the valuable points, by archiving and re-reading them. Sticking to Twitter is okay in my opinion, as long as someone out there is keeping a keen eye on interesting discussions and saving them to a safe place. I personally save lots of them on my personal blog to look at in the future. “From your perspective, what type of discourse, if any, do you see having the potential to achieve a positive…

Round III : Conclusion

To provide individuals wishing to learn more with reliable sources, please list 1-3 references that you would recommend.  Return to the list of questions

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Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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Born, G., & Hesmondhalgh, D. (2000). Western music and its others difference, representation, and appropriation in music. Univ. of California Press.  (Not directly about K-pop or Korean music but about how the West sees music outside of its own culture). Howard, K. (2016). Michael Fuhr : Globalization and popular music in South Korea: Sounding out K-Pop. xiii, 256 pp. New York: Routledge, 2016. ISBN 978 1 138 84001 0. Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, 79(3), 703-704. doi:10.1017/S0041977X16000732 Lie, J. (2012). What is the K in K-pop? South Korean popular music, the culture industry, and national identity….
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
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All the articles listed below are in Korean.  1)이수완, “대중문화와미학: 케이팝(K-Pop), Korean과Pop Music의기묘한만남- K-Pop의한국대중음악적진정성에대한탐구”, 인문논총, 서울대학교인문학연구원, vol.73, no.1,  pp.77-103, 2016.  Lee, S.-W. (2016). K-Pop: a Peculiar Encounter of Korean and Pop Music – Inquiry into K-Pop’s Korean Authenticity. Journal of Humanities, Seoul National University, 73(1), 77–103. https://doi.org/10.17326/jhsnu.73.1.201602.77 2)김윤하, “두유노케이팝? 댄스음악과아이돌을중심으로본케이팝의태동과발전”  문학동네제24권제4호(통권93호) , 1~24쪽, 2017.12.27  (Kim, Yoon-ha. (2017) Do you know K-pop? The birth and progress of K-pop in view of dance and idol music, Munhak Dong-nae, 73(4), 1-24.
Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
Reading Time < 1 Min Read
The following literature does not necessarily discuss K-pop, although it helps us to develop critical thinking. All three books point out how socially constructed concepts dominate our discursive framework:  Said, E. W. (1978). Orientalism. Routledge and Kegan Paul. Roh, D. S., Huang, B., & Niu, G. (2015). Techno-orientalism: imagining Asia in speculative fiction, history, and media. Rutgers University Press. Fanon, F. (2020). Black skin, white masks. Penguin Classics.
Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
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To learn more about Korean hip-hop in English, Song Myoungsun’s Han-guk Hip-hop is good. I usually recommend people read journal articles on K-pop instead of books because of the lag time to publication, since books get out of date pretty quickly. But there are so many excellent books that are on topics other than K-pop that would be beneficial for K-pop fans as well. I have a pinned tweet on Twitter where I recommend a ton of books on Korea. Reading a short historical overview of Korea such as Hwang Kyung-moon’s A History of Korea could help many fans. Reading…
Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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I always recommend T.K. Park’s “K-pop is Not a Genre” and the rebuttal “Is K-pop a genre? Yes. Yes it is.” by Lizzle from Beyond Hallyu to demonstrate the strangely difficult and elusive parameters with which we must define K-pop. Not to toot my own horn, but I’d recommend my video as well. I don’t know of any other place in which the subject is discussed with that much length.
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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The book I mentioned in Round 3: K-POP SHINKANKAKU NO MEDIA (K-pop, the Media of New Sense, Iwanami Shoten, 2018) by Dr. Seong-Min Kim. I read it in the Korean-translated version “케이팝의 작은 역사”(글항아리, 2018). He is a Korean scholar residing in Japan, and the majority of his work is to find a relation between Korean and Japanese pop culture. I wrote a piece called “The meaning of BTS receiving Billboard Music Award” (방탄소년단 빌보드 수상의 의미 http://idology.kr/8911) in 2017.  One of the contributing writers of Idology recently published an article called “Idol History in Generations” (아이돌 세대론 http://idology.kr/13070). I…

Concluding statements  Return to the list of questions

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Author Stephanie Choi By Stephanie Choi
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I have discussed the issue presuming that K-pop refers to the industry and its music-related production. But K-pop can also be discussed as a phenomenon, form of activism, world, and culture. If we think of K-pop as a cultural process that entails all of these discourses and activities outside of the Korean industry, it will lead the current conversation to another direction. To me, K-pop is a matrix that enables all of these (mis)communications, (mis)understandings, (mis)translations, and discourses. 
Author Randy Suh By Randy Suh
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Based on the transcript, it seems the “Is BTS K-pop or not” argument firstly and mostly came from the fans’ sincerity to protect the group from a xenophobic Western media and general public. But I do not believe that is the best strategy, nor the right thing to do. BTS certainly does not have to become a hero and be responsible for all of the Western-originated colonialism and racial stereotypes, but intentionally separating BTS from K-pop is just a rhetorical ploy to detour the targeted racism, and also far from reality. Instead, recognizing BTS’s achievements of going beyond the boundary…
Author @alapadma2 By @alapadma2
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In light of recent events, my closing statement is rather tangential to my response. Initially, this conversation seemed to be unique to BTS — I failed to find a similar debate relating to any other artist in the past. However, the recent death of Irrfan Khan, a beloved Indian actor, resulted in a surprisingly similar community debate that reminded me of this BTS discussion. Irrfan Khan was a Bollywood actor (Bollywood being India’s most well-known film industry), yet he had done significant work in many Hollywood films as well, such as Slumdog Millionaire, Life of Pi, and Jurassic World. Many…
Author Lee Jeeheng By Lee Jeeheng
Reading Time < 1 Min Read
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Author CedarBough Saeji By CedarBough Saeji
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Author Elliot Sang By Elliot Sang
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The conversation of BTS in relation to K-pop can be cumbersome, especially when the answer is generally always a “Yes, but,” if not a “Yes” outright. But K-pop fans and experts across the board have had greater conversations over the years regarding what “K-pop” even means, and using BTS as a focal point for it only adds a vital energy to the conversation. Kang Haeryun wrote a piece for NPR this past July covering this exact issue and how it contributes not only to the otherization of Korean idols, but of any Korean musician looking to make a name for…

Editor’s conclusion

Dialogue should be ongoing. While our participants have entered, listened, reflected, and shared their knowledge and experiences, we don’t believe this to be the end of the conversation. Defining K-Pop is a task that is historical, political, and connected to a myriad of cultural contexts and conventions. What we, as editors, hope readers will take from this is a moment to encounter, define, contextualize, unpack, and understand how terms never just exist on their own. Rather, words are part of complex systems and ideologies. These are necessary steps towards understanding how these terms circulate and impact the world. If BTS has taught us anything, it is the importance of engaging with the world and one another  critically and respectfully. Our participants have modeled that throughout this conversation.  

So, how do you end a conversation that isn’t done yet? We thought the best way was to highlight some of the new conversations that might be started. Below, we have selected a quote from each participant that we found thought provoking and worth considering. It’s up to you to keep the conversation going! If you would like to respond directly to points made by our participants, we encourage you to submit a Letter to the Editor. Or perhaps this has sparked an idea for an essay or article, in which case, please consider submitting to our Academic Articles.

Issue 1 Round Table R3 Journal

Emphasis added by the editors, not the participants:

  • “But what is “K-pop”? The term doesn’t merely refer to a type of musical production but entails the outsiders’ view that wishes to tie a certain group of people and production to the national identity (i.e., South Korea), which can have relational meanings to different groups of people around the world. Those cultural meanings, however, are often appropriated by the users of the term at their convenience, without fully contemplating what “Korean” means. How come American musicians’ nationality is readily neutralized in our conversation while their individualities are aptly secured? In contrast, how come Korean musicians’ individualities, musical activities, and cultural values are so easily subsumed under the rubric of “Korean”? Detaching BTS from K-pop may be part of an attempt to resist against this generalization, but instead of rescuing BTS from the K-pop box, I would suggest to problematize the box itself.” (Choi, Stephanie, Ph.D.)
  • “In fact, recent media coverage of the BLM support by ARMY and other K-pop fans has already offered many chances to point out that K-pop is more complex and more positive than previous media coverage showed. That and similar actions, like donations for flood relief in India, have made non-fans stop and reconsider their assumptions about K-pop and K-pop fans. That is how you change the label “K-pop.”” (Saeji, CedarBough, Ph.D.)
  • “This was an interesting situation — it suggested that culture-specific labels fail to describe any artist who transcends genres and industries. There’s a natural discomfort that fans might feel when the media limits an artist with a certain label that the artist has clearly surpassed. There is no doubt that Khan has done incredible work in Bollywood, but he has done much more. There is no doubt that BTS are rooted in the K-pop industry, but they have also transcended it. BTS, therefore, are not alone in this debate — and as entertainment becomes more globalized, it is quite likely that such a debate will occur again for different artists as well.” (alapadma2)
  • “My goal is to find truths and share them in the best ways I can. As foreign as ARMY and BTS are made out to be, the idea of a journalist reporting on the arts having particular biases and even tight-knit associations with entities in the field is certainly not foreign at all. The best thing I can do is acknowledge my biases and continue to source whatever information I find accordingly — as should any journalist. More than anything, however, I feel increasingly distant with the title of “journalist” and more comfortable with “writer” — I write essays, whether they be used for YouTube videos or for text-based media publications. I also conduct interviews, particularly via a podcast I’ve begun through bby gang. Generally, I do what I enjoy doing — and I’m fortunate enough to enjoy doing a lot of things. When I do those things, my main responsibility is to tell the truth, or at least a truth, and hope that whatever content I create can be eye-opening and healing.” (Sang, Elliot)
  • “Based on the transcript, it seems the “Is BTS K-pop or not” argument firstly and mostly came from the fans’ sincerity to protect the group from a xenophobic Western media and general public. . . . but intentionally separating BTS from K-pop is just a rhetorical ploy to detour the targeted racism, and also far from reality. Instead, recognizing BTS’s achievements of going beyond the boundary of K-pop while they still absorb and appreciate some of the crucial aspects of K-pop would be a more interesting topic to study.” (Suh, Randy)
  • “While Korean domestic critical discourse has still maintained its disparaging view of K-pop culture as the epitome of consumer capitalism, on the other hand, there is a cultural and nationalistic view which remains content with the overseas acceptance of K-pop as part of Korean Wave. There’s a nationalist discourse that approaches pop culture as a new export commodity and an expansion of Korean cultural territory, along with the pride that its cultural products work in the world as well. This attitude has created a strange double standard where cultural disparagement and national pride coexist.”  (Lee, Jeeheng Ph.D.)

Elliot Sang is a journalist, essayist, and musician based in New York City. He became a fan of BTS through his journey of writing about them for publications such as DJBooth and GENMag. His YouTube channel, bby gang, presents video essays tackling subjects related to BTS and K-pop, among other topics.  Return to the top of the page

CedarBough T. Saeji has a master of arts degree in Korean studies from Yonsei University, and a PhD in culture and performance from UCLA. Saeji has taught Korean studies at the University of British Columbia, Korea University, Hankuk University of Foreign Studies, and is now a visiting assistant professor at Indiana University, Bloomington. Publications have appeared in edited volumes on women in traditional performing arts, Korean screen cultures, theatre in Asia, and intangible cultural heritage and journals including Journal of Korean Studies, Korea Journal, Acta Koreana, Pacific Affairs, Asia Theatre Journal, and Asia Pacific Journal.  Return to the top of the page

Stephanie Choi is a recent Ethnomusicology PhD graduate from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Her dissertation “Gender, Labor, and the Commodification of Intimacy in K-pop” explores transactions of intimacy between K-pop idols and fans in digital media. Choi has interviewed more than sixty people in the K-pop world, including K-pop idols, idol managers, casting division directors, A&R directors, music video directors and staff, television show producers, news media reporters, and most importantly, fans. Her dissertation project is sponsored by the Korea Foundation, the UC Humanities Research Institute, and UCSB’s Interdisciplinary Humanities Center.  Return to the top of the page

Lee Jeeheng is currently teaching film at Chung-Ang University and is a member of the Film Subcommittee for the Korea Media Rating Board. She received a bachelor of science degree at the Ewha Woman’s University, a master of fine arts with a focus on filmmaking at CalArts, and a PhD in film studies with a focus on film theory at the Graduate School for Art & Technology at Chung-Ang University. She was a visiting professor at the Graduate School of Cinematic Content at Dankook University, full lecturer in the multimedia department at Hannam University, and lecturer at Yonsei University. Her PhD thesis examined “Disaster and Film: The Emotional Structure of Disaster in 21st Century Film” (2015). Her research interests are posthumanism, relations between visual culture and modernity, and popular culture in new media.  Return to the top of the page

@alapadma2  is a medical student in the U.S. She majored in music (with a focus in ethnomusicology) and biology, and minored in world musics and cultures. Most of her experience is in south Indian classical dance, Balinese music and dance, and taiko (Japanese drumming). She hopes to continue her studies in the field of medical ethnomusicology in the near future.  Return to the top of the page

Randy Suh is an independent K-pop music critic and music writer. They have been writing for the Korean idol pop web magazine Idology (idology.kr) about K-pop music and the culture around it for a number of years. They are greatly interested in the boundary-blurring individuals of the scene, like pop artists pursuing authenticity or idols presenting themselves in gender nonconfirming manners. But their greatest interest will always be music itself. They recently launched a newsletter project called BulletproofDelivery, covering BTS’s music and other topics on them once a week. Archive blog is found at https://bulletproof-delivery.postype.com/.  Return to the top of the page

Editor’s note:

This article was updated on March 22, 2021.  The discussion of  pansori was removed from the response provided by @alapadma2. The editors would also like to acknowledge the inconsistencies in romanization that were previously published in the removed sections, and would like to state that the Journal Guidelines and Style Guide have been updated to reflect that R3 will adhere to the more commonly used Revised Romanization of Korean going forward for consistency.


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APA Citation

alapadma2, Choi, S., Lee, J., Saeji, C., Sang, E. & Suh, R. (2020). Roundtable: K-Pop — What’s in a name? In Epps-Robertson, C. & Hulme, K. Academic Articles (Eds.). The Rhizomatic Revolution Review [20130613], (1). https://ther3journal.com/.

MLA Citation

alapadma2, Choi, Stephanie, Lee, Jeeheng, Saeji, CedarBough, Sang, Elliot and Suh, Randy. “Roundtable: K-Pop — What’s in a Name?” Edited by Epps-Robertson, Candace and Hulme, Katie. The Rhizomatic Revolution Review [20130613], no.1, 2020. https://ther3journal.com/.

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